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I Hate Chips · Jul 14, 2010, 11:13 PM // 23:13

Hello (:

I started playing again, and decided to make a new assasin. A year ago, I almost used on each character discord: just because it was easy. But I tried it again on my assasin, its rather a ''suckish'' hero set up I noticed.

What my question is: What is the best set-up for heroes, if the 'leader' is a melee character?

On pvx wiki I found this one..
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team...ical_Hero_Team
Is this one good as it is? Does it need any improvements?
OR u know an even BETTER set-up (:?

all advises are more than welcome so post as much as u can :')

IGN: I hate squirtle

**Marty Silverblade** · Jul 14, 2010, 11:30 PM // 23:30

That team is a pretty good setup. Haven't run the E/N so I don't know how good it is. It definitely looks solid, but whether it justifies a slot is another matter. You might also want to consider running heal/prot on the ER Ele rather than blood/curses; it's more powerful than a full heal monk and a full prot monk put together. There should be several variants floating around on PvX.

Voodoo Rage · Jul 15, 2010, 01:02 AM // 01:02

That's almost exactly what I run on my warrior.

I Hate Chips · Jul 15, 2010, 09:47 AM // 09:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

You might also want to consider running heal/prot on the ER Ele rather than blood/curses.

How about this one?
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:E/Mo_ER_Prot_Hero
instead of the E/N, though it won't give me the buff of OoP as physical character...

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

if you don't micro the MB,

I never understood what micro means... I thought it was something with controlling his skills, or something like it. But can u explain it to me?

And is there maybe a better hero than, instead of a MB?

N I T E Stalker · Jul 15, 2010, 10:12 AM // 10:12

What you posted is pretty a good set-up for heroes. I use 2 different kinds of set-ups you might find them useful.

3 necros:
OABCUsxEQzUQJjCIaQVFewWI - Flesh Golem MM.
OAhiYwhMZtJNN50sNONMlAWVBA - Xinrae's Healer.
OABCY8xUeglQZAiQdwuTCYVF - SS Necro

2 Rits , 1 Para:
OACjEuiMpNXzyJGzbyMHnU7qJA - SoS
OACiAyk8gNhmWvw5jLz9NdmA - ST
OQCjUmmMaOhff8D2Cvj5xsY5NA - Imbagon hero.

(those are the templates)

Dzjudz · Jul 15, 2010, 10:22 AM // 10:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Hate Chips

I never understood what micro means... I thought it was something with controlling his skills, or something like it. But can u explain it to me?

Micro is short for micromanagement, meaning in this case indeed that you control the movement (by flagging) and skill use (by using the hero skill bar) of your hero(es).

Often, when you are using a hero with minions, they will lag a bit behind, especially if they have Death Nova on their bar. This means they will be late to battle and so will their minions. A solution is to flag the hero in aggro range of the enemy so the minions who are following the hero will aggro and run into battle. Another solution is to disable Death Nova between battles.

I Hate Chips · Jul 15, 2010, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by N I T E Stalker

What you posted is pretty a good set-up for heroes. I use 2 different kinds of set-ups you might find them useful.

3 necros:
OABCUsxEQzUQJjCIaQVFewWI - Flesh Golem MM.
OAhiYwhMZtJNN50sNONMlAWVBA - Xinrae's Healer.
OABCY8xUeglQZAiQdwuTCYVF - SS Necro

2 Rits , 1 Para:
OACjEuiMpNXzyJGzbyMHnU7qJA - SoS
OACiAyk8gNhmWvw5jLz9NdmA - ST
OQCjUmmMaOhff8D2Cvj5xsY5NA - Imbagon hero.

(those are the templates)

I need to copy these templates into GW? or how do i do this?

I Hate Chips · Jul 15, 2010, 05:04 PM // 17:04

Does that ''amazing'' ER prot healer need microing?

syphonus · Jul 15, 2010, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Hate Chips

Does that ''amazing'' ER prot healer need microing?

Not unless you count micro'ing PS. You should be doing that anyway.

I've never been a fan of using an Orders hero to buff just one team member. Bringing a Smiting hero means you can drop SoH and the rest off Xandra and stick a few resto skills on there; while maintaining a 16 spec SoH from the monk, as well as a ludicrously strong Smite Hex and RoJ. Getting a 15 or so splinter weapon is pretty awesome as well.

This is what I'm using currently; apart from Duncan I've H/H'd every HM dungeon with this, easily.

I Hate Chips · Jul 15, 2010, 06:59 PM // 18:59

What is the 7th skill on ur bar?
And would it be usefull for me to use SY, since I only have rank 1...?
Replace with what?

syphonus · Jul 15, 2010, 07:09 PM // 19:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Hate Chips

What is the 7th skill on ur bar?
And would it be usefull for me to use SY, since I only have rank 1...?
Replace with what?

Don't replace it. There's only a 2 second difference between min and max ranks anyway, and it's the most important skill any melee character can bring.

The 7th skill is Critical Agility. It provides 33% IAS and 20+ armor and renews itself every time you land a critical hit. You can get it from the hero skill trainer in Kamadan, I believe.

I Hate Chips · Jul 15, 2010, 07:49 PM // 19:49

Thank you (: just got the skill, only need SY and asuran scan, and than my bar is complete. Also got my ER prot now, 2 heroes left (:

My combination now is:
OgNDwcPPP1CaRARLWPqb3VSC
OACjEuiMpNXTMW50byMncSzLGA
OwUS4YIP+MrPe1l0DyAV/5B
Tell whats needs to be changed (:

syphonus · Jul 15, 2010, 09:57 PM // 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Hate Chips

My combination now is:
OgNDwcPPP1CaRARLWPqb3VSC
OACjEuiMpNXTMW50byMncSzLGA
OwUS4YIP+MrPe1l0DyAV/5B
Tell whats needs to be changed (:

You're gonna want to drop some points into Inspiration on that monk. I put 8 on mine.

The ER looks fine, although Infuse makes it too fragile imo. It's nice to have, but somewhat risky; decide for yourself if it's worth it or not. If you lose it I'd replace it with DKiss, probably. You might actually want a spot heal anyway, just in case things get rough and you need health back fast.

Shield Guardian is only on the bar as a spammable skill to keep energy up, as far as I can tell. Sadly, AI doesn't work like that and won't keep using it back to back if it's low on energy. I'd say it's pretty much useless, but you don't have to worry too much about energy anyway.

If I used a hero healer It'd look like this:
OgNDwbrvO1CaxG51FQqHaR6B

I'd put Life Attunement on himself and maybe one or two other casters. Or just replace it with Patient Spirit or SoA. Extinguish is there because it's a baller condition remover; use it for condition-heavy areas where MBAS on Xandra isn't enough. (Read: Everywhere)

I Hate Chips · Jul 16, 2010, 08:03 PM // 20:03

My Ritualist with his build keeps losing energy too fast...
And i got a bit problem with getting rid of hexes? any suggestions?
OAmjEiispOXTMW50byMncSzdMA
OwUTMQHD1xnZ9xrukeQGo6PPAA
OgNDwbrvO1CaxGpiEQqHaR6B

syphonus · Jul 17, 2010, 01:09 PM // 13:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Hate Chips

My Ritualist with his build keeps losing energy too fast...
And i got a bit problem with getting rid of hexes? any suggestions?
OAmjEiispOXTMW50byMncSzdMA
OwUTMQHD1xnZ9xrukeQGo6PPAA
OgNDwbrvO1CaxGpiEQqHaR6B

Try Convert Hexes instead of Mend Ailment.
I'm actually surprised that your ritualist is having energy problems, Spirit Siphon is usually enough for me. Maybe Fall Back is taxing him too much?

EDIT: Also, consider bringing Eve with you. Mark of Fury means more SY-- and she brings Blood Ritual too.

I Hate Chips · Jul 17, 2010, 02:34 PM // 14:34

I see him using spirit siphon when he hasnt spirits around him... maybe thats why? does it need micro? But if I put mend ailment away, what do I need for condition remover? Or should I replace fall back with power drain? and invest in inspiration magic..

syphonus · Jul 17, 2010, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Hate Chips

I see him using spirit siphon when he hasnt spirits around him... maybe thats why? does it need micro? But if I put mend ailment away, what do I need for condition remover? Or should I replace fall back with power drain? and invest in inspiration magic..

You got me. I'm stumped. No, it doesn't need micro; try getting rid of Fall Back and see how he does. If you really, really need more e-management then drop the resto skills and replace with leech sig and power drain-- but you shouldn't!

As for condition removal-- MBAS should do an alright job by itself; if you need more than that you can drop Life Attunement on the ER for it.

I Hate Chips · Jul 17, 2010, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Aah okay I'll try that, without fall back (: I hope it will work, any suggestions for the 8th skill (instead of fall back)?

syphonus · Jul 17, 2010, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Not really. A hard rez can't hurt.

IrisLee · Jul 19, 2010, 09:59 AM // 09:59

If you don't find anything that works out with the Rit, it may be a good choice using N/Rt seeing as they have good e-Management from their Primary Attribute.